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Postby RickB » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:14 am

Looking for rig measurements for a Baba 30. Most likely, your rig measurements will not match mine, but it should be close enough for me to work towards getting a quote from sailmakers. Our rig is down at the moment and won't be up for another couple of weeks.

Sure, I could wait, but I'm in the mood to get going.

In the meantime, I'd be interested in hearing any thoughts on sailmakers.

I will be getting quotes from:

  • Lee
  • Hood
  • North
  • UK

Since it's easy enough to get quotes these days, I could easily see half a dozen quotes. I am pretty certain I know who will be high (Hood) and who will be low (Lee). But price isn't the only thing, right? [/list]
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Postby amkaplan » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:44 pm

Try <http://tinyurl.com/3yolzp4> for lots of suggestions.

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Postby RickB » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:04 pm

Thanks Allan!

huh. Google. Whooda thunk?

I don't really work with computers all day and all night.. :?
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Postby RickB » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:55 pm

This is the quote from Sailrite (which wasn't on my initial list 8) ):
SailWeightOptionLaborMaterialTotal
main7.4 oz. SuperCruise cloth #100195incl. sail cover$1,122.84$1,096.13$2,218.97
yankee6.4 oz. SuperCruise cloth #100191#2 Bronze Piston Snaps$478.54$624.36$1,102.90
staysail6.4 oz. SuperCruise cloth #100192#2 Bronze Piston Snaps$555.20$519.56$1,074.76
Total----$4,396.63
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Postby RickB » Thu May 06, 2010 1:18 pm

Quote from North Sails:

SailWeightOptionLaborMaterialTotal
mainND NorDac Coastal Mainsail (7oz 4800 Dacron)insignia, cunningham, 2 reefs--$1,573.00
yankeeND NorDac Genoa (7oz 4800 Dacron)UV Leach and Foot--$1,266.00
staysailDac Forstaysl 4800 Cruise 7oz 4800 Dacron---$1,135.00
Total----$3,974.00
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Postby RickB » Wed May 12, 2010 9:26 am

Quote from Lee sails:

SailWeightOptionDeliveryMaterialTotal
main7.3 oz White Dacron High Modulus Challenge Sailclothcover $235, free if ordered before 5/24/10$65-$1,660.00
yankee7.3 oz White Dacron High Modulus Challenge Sailclothbow bag $155, free if ordered by 5/24/10$55-$1,380.00
staysail7.3 oz White Dacron High Modulus Challenge Sailcloth$90 discount if ordered by 5/24/10$40-$840.00
Total----$3,880.00
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Re: Sails

Postby RickB » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:17 pm

5 years later and it has begun!

Last summer I ordered a complete suite of sails from sailrite. The kit sat untouched until winter. At the start of this year I finally got around to building the sails.

My sail repertoire will contain

  • RF Yankee
  • RF Staysail
  • Standard Main with half-length battens and 'factory' roach

Sailrite has the Baba 30 in their database and confirmed that my measurements match what they have.

Make no mistake, this is a BIG job. If you are contemplating this, you really should invest in the Sailrite LSZ-1 machine. I purchased a machine that appears to be the machine Sailrite uses as their base. After upgrading the machine I've spent about the same as I would have on an LSZ-1. I will write an article on that machine soon.

This takes up a lot of room. My basement is very small. We live in the city and I have maybe 25' x 12' to work with. Surprising, this is enough room to work on a large portion of the sail. The key is to roll up the sail as you are working on it. Where it will be difficult is when it comes time to sew on the edge seams, luff tape, and sacrificial Sunbrella. For that, I will either use a local gymnasium or a friend of mine's basement (he owns an apartment building).
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Re: Sails

Postby RickB » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:24 pm

The kit arrives in several boxes. All sails are shipped individually in tubes as is the Sunbrella fabrick. The most interesting was the batten material. This was shipped coiled and you are warned to open the package immediately and uncoil the batten material. Safety tip: Do not attempt to uncoil by holding the coil between your knees while you cut the tape holding the coil together.
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care should be taken when un-coiling the batten material
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Re: Sails

Postby RickB » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:35 pm

The sails are rolled up with the panels on top of one another.

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A roll of Staysail


This means that the entire roll has to be un-rolled. The longest panel is about 12'

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This is my normal sewing area. It's inadequate for this work. I eventually moved the machine to the floor.
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Re: Sails

Postby RickB » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:41 pm

All panels are accurately cut. There is a line where the seams overlap. You simply baste (double-sided tape) the two sails together along the seam line. Note that there is curvature built into the sail panels. This means that the sail will not lay flat once the seams are basted.

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The throat on the LSZ-1 is big enough to feed the rolled up sail through. However, it's cumbersome to try to hold the sail rolled up and sew.

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I devised a combination of 4" PVC pipe and a Sonotube slit lengthwise to roll the sail into. That was only slightly less cumbersome. In the sailrite videos, they use spring clamps. I will try that approach for the next few panels.

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Re: Sails

Postby RickB » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:43 pm

The instructions call for 3 rows of stitching. In their video, they only show two. I'm starting to get the impression the sails they designed for me are meant to take a beating.

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Re: Sails

Postby RickB » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:03 pm

In my zeal, I did not think this totally through. I sewed all the staysail panels together without stopping to put the corner patches on. Ideally, only the minimum panels should be sewn together to allow for the patches to be sewn on. This is much easier to manage through the machine.
The patches are constructed separately then sewn on as a sub-assembly.

Start by basting all the patches together (except the outermost patch). It's best to use a spray glue as this is easier to ensure the patches lay flat against one another.

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Depending on the type of clew you'll have, you may need to trim away material to allow for the ring.

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The webbing in this kit is 2" wide. In the Sailrite videos, they use 1" webbing. These will be pretty beefy on Soñadora.

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The last step is to cover the webbing with the final patch using spray adhesive.

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